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As everyone knows, this year marks the four hundredth anniversary of the publication of The King James Bible. I seem to have undertaken the Bible challenge without knowing there was one.

I decided to have the Bible on my Kindle and to try out some samples first, to make sure I was getting something easy to read. The first one I’ve downloaded has illustrations by Gustave Doré which are pale on the Kindle and not worth having. I’m now annoyed to find that ‘your Amazon library’ doesn’t include samples you’ve requested. I can see from my Kindle that I have ‘The Holy Bible, King James Version, Church of England illustrated Gustave Doré’ but no amount of searching will bring this same version up on Amazon again. *Sigh*. Fine if I decide to buy it but not much use for recommending it to anyone else. Kindle samples are usually two chapters long so with the Bible you get a lot of text to try.

I’m reading the whole thing straight through, hence the Bible Challenge. This is an odd experience that makes me wonder if people my age have the Authorised Version built into their DNA. Pages and pages of tedious begetting and smiting and the inexplicable actions of a capricious Almighty, then suddenly whammo! a passage that you know by heart. Sunday School? Scripture lessons? Hearing the lessons read week after week in church? I just don’t know but the stories are as familiar as nursery rhymes. Here they come: Esau and Jacob; Jacob’s ladder; Jacob serving for Rachel; Joseph and his coat of many colours, his life in Egypt, the seven fat years followed by the seven lean ones and so on.

I can’t help wondering about people who don’t have all this in their heads. Whether or not you are a believer (I am, BTW) you have to accept that our culture is based on the Judaeo-Christian tradition and therefore it’s referenced constantly in art, literature and music. Just one example: James Mortmain’s book Jacob Wrestling in I Capture the Castle. It must be strange not to get all these allusions naturally and to need footnotes and endless explanations; like having to learn a new language. So I think there’s a good case for at least teaching children bible stories, which can be done without indoctrination.

I prefer the Authorised Version both because it’s familiar and because it’s literature. I always have trouble with the attempted sacrifice of Isaac though, because I can never get Bob Dylan’s version out of my head.

Oh God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son"
Abe says, "Man, you must be puttin' me on"
God say, "No." Abe say, "What ?"
God say, "You can do what you want Abe, but
The next time you see me comin' you better run"
Well Abe says, "Where do you want this killin' done ?"
God says. "Out on Highway 61".


For all I know, someone has written a thesis on ‘Biblical influences in the music of Bob Dylan’.The challenge is to name a song with biblical references. Example, Pete Seeger’s Turn, Turn, Turn. I know this post will seem naïve to some people but I’m not a biblical scholar, just someone who’s finding she knows the Bible better than she thought she did and is wondering how common this is.

Date: 2011-09-21 10:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosathome.livejournal.com
By the rivers of Babylon, Boney M.

Though that's probably cheating.

Date: 2011-09-21 11:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huskyteer.livejournal.com
I don't think so! Then there's 'The Israelites'...

Date: 2011-09-21 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
Ah, Des Deckah!

Date: 2011-09-21 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
Not cheating. And like Turn, Turn, Turn it contains direct quotes.

Date: 2011-09-21 10:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burkesworks.livejournal.com
I always have trouble with the attempted sacrifice of Isaac though, because I can never get Bob Dylan’s version out of my head.

It's Leonard Cohen's version that sticks with me.

Date: 2011-09-21 11:59 am (UTC)
lethe1: (thinking)
From: [personal profile] lethe1
Agreed! "Story of Isaac" is the first song I thought of too.

Date: 2011-09-21 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
Sorry you two, Leonard Cohen has never done it for me. But you get prizes.

Date: 2011-09-21 11:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huskyteer.livejournal.com
'The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls.'

Date: 2011-09-21 01:51 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-09-21 12:18 pm (UTC)
lethe1: (thinking)
From: [personal profile] lethe1
"Babylon" by Don McLean
"God's Song" by Randy Newman
"Eva" by Boudewijn de Groot

Date: 2011-09-21 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
You're good at this.

Date: 2011-09-21 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huskyteer.livejournal.com
I love Woody Guthrie singing 'Ezekiel Saw The Wheel', but I think it's lifted straight from a spiritual, so a bit of a cheaty one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxhDwqwMgaY

Date: 2011-09-21 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
There's so many once you go down that path! One More River. Dem Bones, dem bones (don't know it's real name)...
Edited Date: 2011-09-21 02:10 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-09-21 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
And how about It Ain't Necessarily So? Love the rhyme of liable with bible.

Date: 2011-09-21 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huskyteer.livejournal.com
Ooh, Joan Baez singing 'All My Trials Will Soon Be Over'! Shivery.

Date: 2011-09-21 04:49 pm (UTC)
lethe1: "I always say there is a time to take off the noose, and put on the kettle." (words of wisdom)
From: [personal profile] lethe1
I love that song!

I believe the "dem bones" song is called "Dry Bones". I didn't know it was a spiritual, or did I misunderstand?

Date: 2011-09-22 07:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
I expect you're right and Dry Bones isn't a spiritual.

Date: 2011-09-21 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosathome.livejournal.com
Someone just sent me a link to this, which is not just the Bible but my bit of the Bible:

Which also reminds me of Cole Porter's I Love You, which contains the line: 'That's the Song of Songs'. Cole Porter's songs are full of biblical references - Blow, Gabriel, Blow. And there's one about Adam and Eve.

Date: 2011-09-22 07:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
A timely link!

Date: 2011-09-21 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geraniumcat.livejournal.com
I'm so glad to hear someone other than me worry about a generation who don't have those cultural references! Neither of my sons did RE at school. Older son refused to - I protested, until I met the RE teacher (to discuss it), at which I capitulated instantly! you can certainly get by without them...

A song with biblical references. I was going to say It Ain't Necessarily So but someone else got there first. In which case, almost anything by Leonard Cohen...

Date: 2011-09-22 07:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
Your sons obviously function fine in the modern world. I'd guess neither has gone in for history of art, though :-)

Date: 2011-09-21 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ramblingfancy.livejournal.com
This reminds me of a song I always thought might be biblical, but don't actually think it is at all: Mose Allison's Seventh Son

Date: 2011-09-21 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ramblingfancy.livejournal.com
Eek! And this might explain why I feel like that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jon1nQHr2E

Date: 2011-09-22 07:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
I love Georgie Fame!
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Date: 2011-09-21 08:31 pm (UTC)
lethe1: sleeve of Lewis Furey's first album (Default)
From: [personal profile] lethe1
Oh yes! "The Mercy Seat" is one of my favourite songs, although I prefer it in the version by Johnny Cash.

Date: 2011-09-22 07:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
Golly! Thanks for the link.

Date: 2011-09-22 09:55 am (UTC)
ext_193439: (music cat)
From: [identity profile] gwendraith.livejournal.com
What a great post. Nothing to add to the marvellous comments other than I love Dylan's Highway 61 :)

Date: 2011-09-22 01:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
Thank you!
Such a great song but he's written so many.

Date: 2011-09-22 06:04 pm (UTC)
lethe1: (gilbert fun)
From: [personal profile] lethe1
This morning I heard a forgotten favourite on the radio: "Flood" by Jars of Clay. Of course they are a Christian band, so it's not surprising their songs contain biblical references.

Date: 2011-09-25 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I believe the Bible is required reading if you want to study English literature at the top universites. Admire your undertaking.

Date: 2011-09-26 06:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
Really?
Still going; I'm on Moses now.

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