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If you really love Lord Peter Wimsey and the thought of Edward Petherbridge playing him makes you go weak at the knees, you grab a brand new Wimsey story when you see it at the library, even against your better judgement. I read Thrones, Dominations when it came out and can’t remember a thing about it. The Attenbury Emeralds is Jill Paton Walsh’s latest Wimsey sequel, ‘based on the characters of Dorothy L Sayers’. Lord Peter’s first case, the affair of the Attenbury Emeralds took place in 1921 when he was still in a shaky state after the First World War. Rather than go back in time, the author has Peter and Bunter relate the tale to Harriet in the present, which is 1951. One particular emerald has been missed, found and lost again, with probable murders along the way. The Moonstone is invoked, not surprisingly.

Just as a new emerald problem comes up for the latest Attenbury heir, other events bring great changes to the lives of Peter, Harriet and their children. It’s quite an interesting story but all so wrong. He may now be sixty but Lord Peter as created by Dorothy L Sayers just doesn’t fit a post-war world, even if times have changed and the Bunters dine with the Wimseys. This is the Lord Peter style,



not that I can see him wearing such a collar and tie. Putting in period details, like having Harriet say she has bought a new book by Elizabeth David ‘called Mediterranean Food’ is just clunky. So is having Harriet and Peter walking through a London fog and Peter saying, ‘They’ll have to do something about this.’ (The ‘Clean Air’ Act was passed in1956). The first person narration at the start of the book, Lord Peter Looks Back as it were, doesn’t work for me; nor does telling so much of the story from Harriet’s point of view. More detection and less domestic life would have pleased me better.

I do like the younger generation in this book. Bredon, the eldest son, is a real chip off the old block as is Peter Bunter, known as ‘PB’, who is at Eton with him. The Dowager Duchess is as nice and Helen as nasty as ever. Parker, Lady Mary, and old chum Freddy Arbuthnot have walk-on parts to please the fans. It’s still just fanfic which has found a publisher.

Wimsey with Harriet

Date: 2010-10-28 09:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huskyteer.livejournal.com
> It’s still just fanfic which has found a publisher.

Ah. Wish fulfilment for the rest of us.

(I can't remember a thing about Thrones either.)
Edited Date: 2010-10-28 09:56 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-10-28 10:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
I know a lot of people on my flist follow fanfic and write it very well themselves. It's just not for me.

Date: 2010-10-28 11:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lizarfau.livejournal.com
Thrones, Denominations was boring. Like you and Huskyteer, I can't remember a thing about it! I do remember when I read it, though - 1999, in Arkaroola, the back of beyond ... We drove 400k in one day and never saw another car.

Harriet Walter *was* Harriet Vane. Loved those adaptations!

Date: 2010-10-28 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
That was some drive!

The series was excellent except for Gaudy Night, which was a travesty of the book. I thought both Peter & Harriet were perfectly cast. I had a quick look on Amazon and was shocked to see how much DVDs now cost. Luckily, I have copies made at the time but one is corrupted :-(
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Date: 2010-10-28 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
Neat but not gaudy, I'm sure.

Date: 2010-10-28 06:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
If it's any comfort, it is infinitely worse when not read by Edward Petherbridge.

It's the maharajah that does it for me. Rule one of credible detective fiction, even in the 1930s, is that you don't have what DLS called a "dis-diamonded maharajah". Oh, and Bredon calling Bunter "Mervyn". Like he'd have got away with that more than once... But mostly, as you say, it is just clunky and indefinably wrong (not least because despite the obvious Period Details, the characters don't make the up-to-date refs they do in the originals).

Date: 2010-10-29 07:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
I saw that Edward Petherbridge had helped launch the book and also read it for a CD. He could make anything sound good.
Totally agree with everything you say.

Date: 2010-10-29 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
I went to the launch... Petherbridge is really quite scarily like I imagine an elderly Lord Peter would be.

Date: 2010-10-29 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
The luck of you!

Date: 2010-10-28 07:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lethe1
People keep telling me I should read Dorothy L. Sayers, but I never have because I couldn't stand Lord Peter Wimsey in the TV series. If this is the one you are referring to, I am sorry.

I hate it when a beloved series is continued by another author, it feels sacrilegious to me. I refuse to read Eoin Colfer's Hitchhiker sequel.

I have The Knowledge of Angels by Jill Paton Walsh, one of those books that have been sitting unread on my shelf since time immemorial.

Date: 2010-10-29 07:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
I'm sorry you don't like DLS as reading her is one of my great pleasures in life.

I heard the Hitchhiker sequel on the radio when it was 'Book at Bedtime'. Dreadful.

Sayers sequels

Date: 2010-10-29 02:51 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm in the minority here, clearly! I loved Thrones, Dominations, and also the second Jill Paton Walsh book, A Presumption of Death. In fact I prefer her version of Harriet and Peter! Haven't read the new one but it's on my must-read list.

Nicola
www.nicolaslade.com

Re: Sayers sequels

Date: 2010-10-29 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
Shock! We'll have to agree to differ on that one.

Date: 2010-10-29 04:14 pm (UTC)
lethe1: "I always say there is a time to take off the noose, and put on the kettle." (words of wisdom)
From: [personal profile] lethe1
Oh, I can't say I don't like DLS as I have never read any of her books. I just didn't like Wimsey in the TV series.

My library has Have His Carcase, would that be a good place to start?

Date: 2010-10-29 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
That one's rather far into the Peter/Harriet story, which begins in Strong Poison. A favourite of mine, with no Harriet in, is Murder Must Advertise. The detail is perfect as Sayers had worked in an advertising agency herself.
See list here. Or you could just start at the beginning.

Date: 2010-10-31 04:28 pm (UTC)
lethe1: sleeve of Lewis Furey's first album (tea and sympathy)
From: [personal profile] lethe1
Maybe my colleague (another DLS fan) is willing to lend me Murder Must Advertise, if I ask very nicely. :-)
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Date: 2010-10-31 09:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
I have seen The Ian Carmichael series. Enjoyable and good at the 'silly ass' persona but for me Petherbridge *was* Wimsey.

Date: 2010-10-31 04:22 pm (UTC)
lethe1: "I always say there is a time to take off the noose, and put on the kettle." (words of wisdom)
From: [personal profile] lethe1
Judging from both actors' faces it was probably the Petherbridge version, although I would have thought it was earlier than 1987.

2 actors played Wimsey

Date: 2012-01-24 04:16 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
There were 2 different actors who played LWP. The first, Ian Carmichael (he could not have fallen in love with Harriet Vane), I didn't like much, but Edward Petherington and Harriet Walter were perfect.

Re: 2 actors played Wimsey

Date: 2012-01-24 07:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] callmemadam.livejournal.com
Yes, Edward Petherbridge was the definitive Wimsey for me. I loved that series, except for Gaudy Night, which was a travesty.

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